Deep Cycle Battery

topic posted Sat, August 1, 2009 - 6:13 PM by  Smeeed
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Can anyone tell me a recent price on a deep cycle battery at Costco?

I don't have a costco membership, is there another inexpensive source?
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Smeeed
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  • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

    Sat, August 1, 2009 - 6:32 PM
    If you have the room and can carry the weight , 6 volt golf cart batts ( 2 run in series for 12 volts) were $79.99 each and the so-called starter-deep cycle 12 volts about $70.00. Last week
  • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

    Sat, August 1, 2009 - 11:13 PM
    we have a costco card you can borrow.
    • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

      Sun, August 2, 2009 - 1:44 AM
      That's very nice of you Paul. Will it work if you're not the presenter of the card? If so, Sarah has offered one too, and she lives pretty close...
      • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

        Sun, August 2, 2009 - 11:31 AM
        yep, anyone can use the card, you only have to flash it briefly on entry.....all they care about is that you have a card on you, and that you are spending money;+)
        • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

          Sun, August 2, 2009 - 11:39 AM
          I have had them stop a friend from using her ATM card because the name on her card did not match my costco card. If you pay cash, it is not a problem.
    • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

      Sun, August 2, 2009 - 12:39 PM
      I would like to add that I have bought many of those Kirkland Deep Cycle Marine/RV batteries in my days. Based upon my experience, I would not ever use them in a critical application, such as the only battery for a trailer or RV. They don't last long, usually a single cell will crap out if the battery is discharged too deeply or it gets too hot (like in BRC).

      I have much better luck with Interstate or 6V golf cart batteries (in series). The golf cart batteries go forever, discharge very deeply without cell failure, and seem very tolerant of quick charging and high heat.

      I still buy the Kirkland batteries to supplement vehicle power for car stereo, lights on my tent, stuff like that.
      • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

        Sun, August 2, 2009 - 6:35 PM
        Really... that's good to know. I found an inexpensive solar 1.5 watt trickle charger. You think that would help in the charge maintenance?
        • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

          Sun, August 2, 2009 - 11:09 PM
          Not at all; self discharge on lead-acid chemistry is about .5% of rated amp/hour capacity. So a Costco 80A/H deep cycle would need 400ma to keep topped off (4-5 watts) assuming there are no other points of load.
          • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

            Mon, August 3, 2009 - 7:17 AM
            Eesh! OK I don't understand that language very well. I'm under-educated in this.

            So any deep cycle battery i get is going to require 4-5 watts of charging just for normal maintenance? Or if I buy a better battery, I can use a smaller charger?
            • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

              Mon, August 3, 2009 - 7:23 AM
              I use one of the crappy deep-cycle batteries from Kirkland. I have a 10x20 shade structure over my trailer to keep it cool and attach a 5W trickle charger to the canopy with zip ties. That seems to keep me working for the whole week. About double the price of the 1.5W trickle charger.

              Here is one:
              www.campingworld.com/shoppin...er/31281
              • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                Mon, August 3, 2009 - 1:30 PM
                A trickle charge will not recover charge from a use-discharge, it is intended only for recovery of battery self-discharge, which is about 5w per battery.

                Think of a battery being a bucket of water with a slow leak. The trickle charger feeds a slightly faster drip back into the battery. When you use the battery, your opening a faucet letting water out at some rate. If you don't fill that back into the bucket, you're next turn at the faucet will start at the next lower level. Keep going without refilling, and eventually you run out of water.

                So, a costco deep cycle has 80a/h of storage (960 watt/hours) so that's how much 'water' you can use. If you run a 10 watt light for an hour then you are left with 950 watt/hours; to recover back to 960, you have to add back in 10 watt/hours (above the self discharge rate of about 5 watts.)

                I like to use about 100watts of led lighting and a stereo and run it all night. It's about 1KW/H total, and to recover from that, I use about 300w of solar, assume they're running at 75% efficiency (225w) so I need a good 5hrs of sun to top them off for the next night of debauchery. Really, I have 3KWH of battery, so the sun could not show itself for a couple days and the show still goes on...
        • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

          Mon, August 3, 2009 - 9:21 AM
          I can't say. 1.5W seems pretty small. I have a 10W solar charger that recovers that static discharge. It might work great, without risk of overcharging that those usually present.
          • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

            Mon, August 3, 2009 - 11:33 PM
            Right, the over-charging. I was looking at that and I noticed that as soon as you go up to 5 watts or more, the risk of overcharging becomes an issue. It seemed smart to buy a charge regulator, which was tacking on yet more money to the higher priced charger. I don't expect to use a ton of energy, so I don't want to pour a lot of money into this at a time when I don't really have much.

            Is there a reasonable way to use a 5 watt solar charger without the risk of over-charging my new deep cycle battery?
            • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

              Tue, August 4, 2009 - 10:23 AM
              again, it depends on the battery capacity. to get ahead of self discharge, you need a charge that is at least .5% of capacity, and less than 1% of capacity to prevent overcharging.

              So: for an 80a/h battery, 1w is not enough, 5w is fine, 10w is too much.

              But, your best best for keeping a battery in good condition is a battery tender, which has a computer that conditions the battery based upon it's state:
              batterytender.com/selection_guide.php

              OR, you go the punk way, and pull the 'Costco shuffle' and swap your battery out for a fresh one for free every year...
              • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                Tue, August 4, 2009 - 10:39 AM
                I don't see a "Battery Tender" that will work on solar. That kinda defeats the point here for me.
                • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                  Tue, August 4, 2009 - 11:29 AM
                  you don't need a battery tender for solar, if the solar is 5w and the battery is big. Over 5w, or for a smaller battery, you need a solar charge controller. There are many available, some are at Frys, West Marine, Camping World, etc. The costco 60w solar kit comes with a charge controller.
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                    Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                    Tue, August 4, 2009 - 4:01 PM
                    > Over 5w, or for a smaller battery, you need a solar charge controller.

                    Or, simply limit the amount of direct sunshine. My 10W sits in a window and only gets a couple of hours a day, and I don't worry about facing it south with proper angle to maximize efficiency.
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                    Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                    Tue, August 4, 2009 - 4:28 PM
                    OK, I bought the Costco "starter deep cycle/marine" battery. It was $71.

                    I'm now planning to get a small solar charger for it. I don't expect to use a ton of juice - just lights, boom box, charge the lap-top, maybe run a small stereo receiver to drive some speakers.

                    This is the one I'm planning to get, along with a 7amp charge controller - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rd_cart_shr

                    Anyone think this is a bad combination? Is there a better deal out there?
                    • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                      Tue, August 4, 2009 - 5:26 PM
                      A 7amp charge controller is good for up to an 80w solar panel.

                      exactly what are you running each day and for how long?
                      • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                        Tue, August 4, 2009 - 11:06 PM
                        I expect to run general interior lights 2-3 hours a night max, a boombox running thru a 175 watt inverter 4-5 hours a day, the occasional laptop charge thru a 400 watt inverter, a couple rope lights 10 hrs a night? (all night), and the general water pump use for sink and quick playa showers almost every day.

                        If that's a little too much, I can get help from my truck battery also...
                        • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                          Wed, August 5, 2009 - 8:12 AM
                          are the rope lights LED?, if they're incandescant then they will soon drain your battery. from what you describe your probable usage as, you will need to recharge you battery using some sort of power source every 2-3 days to prevent damaging your battery by too deep a discharge (the solar panel you are thinking of will only maintain and not really charge your system)
                          • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                            Wed, August 5, 2009 - 9:24 AM
                            For what he's talking about, he needs 200w of solar, and double the battery.
                            • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                              Wed, August 5, 2009 - 9:47 AM
                              or a 1000w kipor genny.....at about $350 it would be the cheapest way to go......i think they do a 1250w aswell for about $380.
                              • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                Wed, August 5, 2009 - 11:11 AM
                                so, for that to work right, a good charger is needed. To bring back an 80ah discharge, you'd need to run a 50amp charger for about two hours. Using the Kipor's pitiful 'battery charger' output would mean running the thing for 10hrs to bring back the daily discharge.
                                • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                  Wed, August 5, 2009 - 1:12 PM
                                  EESH!! I need 200 watts of solar?! That seems excessive to me. You guys aren't messin with me are you? Is it just the damn rope lights? cuz those are not necessary. The boom box can run on it's own batteries, and the laptop can probably get recharged when I work at the radio station. I really just need it to power the water pump for the 12 days I'll be on the playa. I figure I'll use the lights and stuff sparingly at night, then let it charge via solar during the day while I'm not around. Are you guys saying that even that won't work with the small 9 watt solar panel?

                                  What I'm trying to do here is spend as little as possible for the solar (i'm at $100 with the 9 watt solar panel and controller). I was thinking I could afford the 15 watt maybe. I saw prices for a 60 watt array and that's just not happening - can't afford it.

                                  So maybe a better question is: What can I get away with running if I have only a 9 watt solar charger? If I go up to 15 watt, how much more can I run? The battery is 115 amp/hours.

                                  I gotta find a site that explains in simple terms the relation between watts, amp hours, and voltage so I can do these calculations myself...
                                  • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                    Wed, August 5, 2009 - 1:57 PM
                                    No, the 9w panel will do next to nothing. Best case is you'll squeeze out 40w/h of energy from that panel (9w * 75% efficiency * 6 hours useful sunlight)

                                    it all adds up, I encourage you to sit down and do the math. Better still, mock the system up in the back yard, and grab a multi-meter and check for yourself.

                                    FYI, and inverter is typically only 75-85% efficient, which means if you have a 50w load, to the battery it appears to be a 75W load. Incandescent rope lights are horrible at 900w per 150ft, LED rope lights are awesome, only 120w per 150ft. But run that LED rope through an inverter and it suddenly is using 150w. If you're running them for 10hrs, that's 1500w/h just for the rope.

                                    Detailed calculations are provided in another thread.

                                    • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                      Wed, August 5, 2009 - 2:59 PM

                                      there's nothing cheap about solar, .....the solar array on my rig totals 250watts, and ran me somewhere around $1500 4 years ago, that does'nt include my batteries, which are 120ah AGM's , giving me a total of 240ah....these will run you around $200 each, so you see, not cheap at all.
                                      if you want to keep your cost to a minimum, then buy a second battery, and swap it out every other day while the spare one is being charged at the radio station.
                                      like Pope said, the 9 watt panel is next to useless for the application you have in mind. FYI, 3 years ago i ran 4 strings of LED lights for about 12 hours a night, on a 100 ah battery, and would have to charge it every 3 days so as not to let the battery get too discharged.....your 80 ah battery is really only good for half that, as you should never let a battery get below 50% depth of discharge.
                                      for more info on this stuff go here
                                      www.windsun.com/Batteries/...ery_FAQ.htm
                                      you'll find all you need to know, in terms that you will be able to understand. they also have a pretty usefull forum too.
                                      • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                        Wed, August 5, 2009 - 3:07 PM
                                        my system was $3600, including shipping: 300w of solar up top, 30amp MPPT controller, charge monitor, 4x AGMs total 440A/H capacity (that's 2.7KWH at 50% discharge) mounts, cables, accessories. I installed it myself, along with a 2kw high efficiency inverter. Pics of the install are in the gallery.

                                        Nothing 'free' about solar at all...
                                  • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                    Wed, August 5, 2009 - 3:28 PM
                                    > EESH!! I need 200 watts of solar?! That seems excessive to me. You guys aren't messin with me are you?

                                    You may need more. In my experience, I think they are being optimistic about the 75% efficiency. You *might* get that if you kept you panel facing directly toward the sun all day, and kept the dust off the surface. Solar can be difficult, especially in BRC, as the panels are very valuable and usually must be hidden to avoid thieves. That makes them hard to keep focused and clean when they're laying flat on the top of your RV/trailer.

                                    One thing I've done is have two pumps in my RV. One is a 30 PSI and the other a 45 PSI. When I'm trying to conserve battery power (or water/waste tank), I switch on the lower pressure pump.

                                    Also, if you have a propane fridge, it will require some amount of power to monitor the temperature and operate the gas valve. Running out of 12V would be a problem.

                                    The math is pretty straight forward, calculate watts times hours for demand. Then calculate the panel and charging in watts * hours times 50% efficiency (usually best case, often worse). You need more charging than demand or it won't work well. If you buy an inexpensive watt miser, they can tell you exactly how much each of your appliances is using. Also, a good charger will tell how much current is going into charging. With those numbers, you can calculate fairly closely. Otherwise, we're talking in broad numbers like you see here.

                                    Watts is Voltage x Amperes. Watt Hours is Watts x Hours.

                                    So, a 12V appliance that needs 3 amps and runs 10 hours a day will require 12x3x10=360 Watt Hours (WH), or in terms of battery consumption it requires 3x10 Amp Hours, or 30 AH. You can see how a small load can easily consume almost half your battery's capacity in a short amount of time.

                                    To convert Watts into Amps, divide the watts by the voltage. So a 50W load will require 50W/12V=4.17 Amps. You can then multiply that by the number of hours to get Amp Hours.

                                    You can efficiently use about 1/2 of your battery's rated 115 Amp Hours, or about 60 Amp Hours before you must recharge.
                                    • Re: Deep Cycle Battery

                                      Sat, September 19, 2009 - 9:52 AM
                                      Just by way of follow-up:

                                      I brought a 15 watt solar panel with me to BRC. I built a cool 35 or 40 degree angled stand for it and set it up where it would get good sun all day. The angle made the dust fall right off and gave it great sun, especially when I was around to go rotate it from a morning angle to an evening angle. During our 12 days in the desert, we used the lights in the trailer often and the water pump regularly (but no rope lights - y'all were right, those things take a lot of juice). We also plugged in my boom box and camera battery charger several times for hours at a time. I'm pleased to report that I regularly got the green "fully charged" light on the charge controller.

                                      Oh, and I also put a little 3/16" cable thru one mounting hole on the panel and tied it to the trailer - no signs of thievery...

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