Craigslist RV Buying Tips

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If your in the hunt for an RV and actively looking than you know that condition is as important as price and the only way to know about condition is to get out and look at as many RV's as you can before making a purchase.

Most sellers have no idea how their rig compares to others and price based on their knowledge of past sales offers and the value they have invested, which tends to have sellers pricing very high in relationship to the actual sales price of the vast majority of the RV's offered for sale. Consider that a smart seller prices as high as 20% over their bottom sales price and might very well take an offer as low as 50% of asking if motivated by a need for an immediate sale. My simple thought is this; buy the best rig at the lowest price. Easier said than done, but if you take a few simple steps it's not hard to find a great deal from a very motivated seller.

Start making low offers based on NADA appraisal value by e-mail for RV's you’re interested in under an alias as a third buyer. This is a great way to plant an offer that a seller may come back to out of necessity for a sale. Could be a week or a month or an hour. It allows you to make an even lower offer on inspection.

Go see local RV's and appraise and learn about the wide variance in condition. Asses the sellers need for a sale. Consider a lowball cash offer for an immediate sale. Pink slip for cash exchange at a bank might sound right to a motivated seller tired of the sales hassle.

Be prepared to walk away from good deals while you learn that fantastic deals are out there.

Be indifferent to a seller's comeback to a lowball offer. Knowing the other rigs available, let's you work one potential sale against another. Work sellers against each other by referring to other currently posted rigs in the same class and price range as being a better deal, fewer miles, new appliances, tires or motor work. A smart seller knows his comps, but rarely takes the time to go see them. A great reply to a seller insulted by your offer is "at the price you’re asking, I would have to go with the other "fill in the blank" RV. Give me a call if you change your mind".

Work a sale towards the appraised value or lower on overpriced but exceptional condition or low mileage rigs. An e-mail offer at average NADA with a link or quote could get a more reasonable counter offer or save you time on a seller who is firm on an unrealistic price.

Reading between the lines in posts can give you a lot of information. "retired and bought a larger trailer" means dealer trade in was low and the seller wants top dollar. This is a fairly common among CL posters. The "I can get more myself attitude" and "appraisal values are way to low". Could be right on both points, but if you base the value of your purchase on the NADA value then you would have made a purchase at a price recognized by professionals and not by the seller and his cronies camp fire talk. A great comeback to a seller after offering at its appraised value or lower is "that's all my bank is willing to loan on your RV". It is also just about all you would get if it was in an accident. Both lending institutions and insurance companies use NADA for appraised value.

If you remember that it's your cash they want, that there are far more sellers than buyers and an offer is just that, then you can be indifferent to the response from an insulted seller and just walk away, the right deal at the right price is what your after, not a new friend.

Free NADA appraisals for late model RV’s:

www2.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx

Buying the appraisal guide for rigs older than 1989 will pay you back in savings on an educated purchase:

www.nadaguides.com/BuyTrade...etail.asp

Be aware of scammers and use anti scam tactics. No down payments or any payment until I see the pink slip and it matches the name of the seller's driver’s license. A seller who can't do that is not going to close a deal with me. If they are selling for a friend or relative, insist that the owner be at the final transaction with a picture ID.

Last year I ran a running monthly thread. Check them out. There is lots of good sales asking price history there. Paine asked me this last year:

“This might seem like a silly question, but why bother reposting all these from Craig's List? If I want an RV, I can just go to CL, type in "RV" and hit search. I mean, it's very nice of you, but it seems somewhat redundant”

I did it because I wanted a place to refer back to and be able to quick link or follow-up on expired listings and recognize reposts. It’s a tool. Consider developing your own using word or excel by cutting and pasting. An e-mail or phone number of a seller who may have given up or is tired of the sales ordeal can lead to that fantastic score from someone who just wants the RV gone and done with.

I'm convinced that every west coast RV must go to Burning Man once before it dies, which is usually on highway 447, Monday at about 2pm. Avoid the one on it’s last leg, looking for a driver to take it to it’s final resting place. A tow will not be cheap or easy to find with thousands of questionable rigs rolling. Break downs and blow outs are no fun but a reality of RV’ing if your rigs not up to the journey. But if a good enough, low price oldie is right for your budget then AAA or Good Sam is a wise investment. Towing is not cheap.

I like AAA Plus. You may need to enter your zip to get the link:

www.csaa.com/portal/site...35492278a0c/

www.goodsamclub.com/benefits/index2.cfm


Be aware that most old RV's will need to have the propane tanks replaced because they don't have an overfill protection device (OPD) and are not to be refilled by propane vendors. Know how to identify an old or new tank:

washingtonstategoodsam.kendra.com/P...tm

You want to see all the appliances working and the tanks holding water. Don’t take a sellers word that they worked the last time out. They are not inexpensive to replace and represent a good deal of what you are paying for. Tire age is more important than condition, so determine when they were purchased. You want them to be less than five years old. If you are not mechanically inclined, then find someone to help in your final decision. It could save you from getting a money pit that you’re stuck with. The value of a broke down RV is ZERO !

If you find this post is helpful or want to add your thoughts or success story, bump it to the top. Happy Hunting !!!

sfbay.craigslist.org/search/rvs


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    Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Sun, April 29, 2007 - 8:45 AM
    Having an appraisal guide for the older RV's or printing out the value of a newer rig from the NADA website, can be a great negotiating tool with a motivated seller. Pulling it out while negotiating can make a low offer easier to accept. For many, just being done with a sale is more important than price, so they sell to the first interested buyer that makes a reasonable offer.

    A clue to "true market value" is to watch how fast a type of RV your interested in sells.

    Single issue for $30 bucks could save you $$$

    www.nadaguides.com/pricegui...uide.aspx
    • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

      Mon, April 30, 2007 - 6:16 PM
      The one issue I would like to clear up slightly is the idea of having to change older propane tanks. Propane tanks that are permanently mounted in a horizontal position have had OPD valves installed since the early 70's. These do not have to be retrofitted. If you are getting a coach made in the 60's or early 70's this should be a consideration. If you are looking at a trailer or a coach with removable bottle type tanks, UNDER 100#, they must comply with current OPD safety valves. One hundred pounds is approx 25 gallons.
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        Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

        Mon, April 30, 2007 - 6:30 PM
        Thanks for the input Jack. I thought that my info might be incorrect. It was based on experience with propane suppliers and vertical tanks.
  • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Sat, May 5, 2007 - 3:43 PM
    > No down payments or any payment until I see the pink slip and it matches the name of the seller's driver’s license.

    Many lenders participate in California DMV’s Electronic Lien and Title Program (ELT). That is, vehicle buyers do not receive pink slips confirming title. It seems that there is no easy way to sell a financed vehicle, especially. The lender must be paid, then they'll release their interest in the vehicle, and then a pink slip will be issued by the DMV. At least, that's the way I've done the last few vehicle transfers. This is really a problem when sale proceeds are required in order to pay off a loan. I find I have no title document I can sign that demonstrates I'm selling a properly-owned vehicle.

    So, does anyone have an idea on what is the best way to transfer a paperless title?
  • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Mon, May 28, 2007 - 11:55 AM
    --Hey just out of curiosity is there anyone who makes a living being a used RV surveyor? I know when buying a used boat there are marine surveyors who, for a modest fee, will crawl over the vessel and give buyer/seller an honest appraisal of the overall condition and note what might otherwise be nasty surprises..
    • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

      Sat, October 6, 2007 - 3:48 AM
      i have 10 years experiance with the manufacture and repair of rvs, i am a state certified oem manufacturer of recreational vehicles and i would be happy to inspect a rig ,pre sale, for anyone that requests it, my charge is gas money and lunch. any takers can pm me
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    Fri, June 1, 2007 - 9:53 AM
    Another suggestion (learned the hard way) that particularly applies to older ("vintage") RVs (or trailers, or anything else that rolls).

    Buy. New. Tires.

    Last year my tribe took a 1980 Thomas schoolbus out of mothballs-- it had been sitting in a warehouse and the body & engine were in perfect condition. The couple of early season (March/April) trips we took in it were a dream. However, when we went to Singularity (Las Vegas in May = hot already) with 20 people and a trailer full of stuff, we began to shred tires 200 miles out of SLC and repeated that event repeatedly before we got to Vegas. 4 out of 6 tires, including one that had to be replaced on the playa (we limped in on 5).

    now this is a bus that needs to be serviced the same way as a semi truck, so it wasn't a matter of jacking up and spinning lug wrenches. I'm thinkin' a big RV would be just as much fun (and I know someone who survived a 70 mph front tire blow-out in an RV-- a very lucky man)m and even a little trailer grinding down the interstate would be a major buzz-kill, too.

    Dry rot sucks. If there's any question, just cowboy up and get new rubber.
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      Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

      Wed, July 16, 2008 - 7:39 AM
      <Buy. New. Tires. >

      Just went to our first LIB, which was basically ruined because I had bought two new tires instead of six.
      We had three blowouts AND a bad spare...

      Buy. New. Tires.
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    Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Wed, September 26, 2007 - 10:49 AM
    Now is THE best time to buy a used RV. Go see it. Ask their lowest selling price, leave and say it's nice but you have others to look at. Wait a few days, then call back with your offer (40 - 30 % off asking ). If they say no. ASK FOR A COUNTER OFFER !!!

    Typically this works best with a Friday review and a Sunday afternoon offer. Many sellers need to put the rig back in storage after bringing it home.

    Believe me, there are WAY more sellers than buyers in the fall !!!
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    Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:03 AM
    Find out the appraised value of a used Recreational Vehicle for free at National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) appraisal website

    www.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx

    For RV's older than 1989, Buy the NADA guide:

    www.nadaguides.com/pricegui...uide.aspx

    Typical Values for Tent Campers

    19 foot Apache
    1977 Suggested list new $2,840 Trade in used $230 Retail used $300
    1987 Suggested list new $5,868 Trade in used $610 Retail used $850

    15 foot Coleman
    1977 Suggested list new $2,964 Trade in used $310 Retail used $430
    1987 Suggested list new $5,895 Trade in used $810 Retail used $1,160

    15 foot Jayco
    1977 Suggested list new $3,460 Trade in used $220 Retail used $300
    1987 Suggested list new $5,210 Trade in used $550 Retail used $760

    16 foot Starcraft
    1977 Suggested list new $3,143 Trade in used $240 Retail used $310
    1987 Suggested list new $3,464 Trade in used $550 Retail used $760



    Typical Values for Mini Motorhomes

    21 foot Dolphin
    1977 Suggested list new $9,495 Trade in used $1,050 Retail used $1,460
    1987 Suggested list new $23,777 Trade in used $3,040 Retail used $4,140

    18 foot Sunrader
    1977 Suggested list new $11,505 Trade in used $920 Retail used $1,260
    1987 Suggested list new $22,695 Trade in used $2,900 Retail used $3,960

    Typical Values for Class A RV's

    27 foot Bounder
    1987 Suggested list new $39,032 Trade in used $4,430 Retail used $6,040

    27 foot Winnebago Chieftain
    1977 Suggested list new $16,241 Trade in used $1,770 Retail used $2,360
    1987 Suggested list new $37,128 Trade in used $4,460 Retail used $6,180

    27 foot Southwind
    1977 Suggested list new $16,056 Trade in used $1,790 Retail used $2,380
    1987 Suggested list new $39,627 Trade in used $4,670 Retail used $6,360

    27 foot Sprinter
    1977 Suggested list new $14,168 Trade in used $980 Retail used $1,350
    1984 Suggested list new $33,070 Trade in used $2,860 Retail used $4,090



    Typical Values for Class C RV's

    23 foot Tioga
    1977 Suggested list new $14,161 Trade in used $1,080 Retail used $1,430
    1987 Suggested list new $33,530 Trade in used $4,150 Retail used $5,560

    24 foot Minnie Winnie
    1977 Suggested list new $19,186 Trade in used $1,710 Retail used $2,220
    1987 Suggested list new $30,174 Trade in used $3,860 Retail used $5,060

    22 foot Lazy Daze
    1977 Suggested list new $14,320 Trade in used $1,190 Retail used $1,540
    1987 Suggested list new $32,750 Trade in used $3,970 Retail used $5,340

    24 foot Honey
    1977 Suggested list new $13,200 Trade in used $820 Retail used $1,070
    1987 Suggested list new $30,093 Trade in used $3,090 Retail used $4,040

    24 foot Jamboree
    1977 Suggested list new $13,409 Trade in used $1,330 Retail used $1,690
    1987 Suggested list new $36,295 Trade in used $4,380 Retail used $5,710

    Typical Values for 1977 Trailers ( 30 years old )

    Aljo 20’ Suggested list new $3,600 Trade in used $450 Retail used $730
    Aristocrat 20’ Suggested list new $4,583 Trade in used $450 Retail used $680
    Avion 20’ Suggested list new $3,600 Trade in used $450 Retail used $730
    Fireball 23’ Suggested list new $5,945 Trade in used $650 Retail used $940
    Jayco 20’ Suggested list new $4,786 Trade in used $260 Retail used $350
    Kit 20’ Suggested list new $4,037 Trade in used $260 Retail used $450
    Komfort 20’ Suggested list new $4,820 Trade in used $420 Retail used $650
    Layton 20’ Suggested list new $4,745 Trade in used $350 Retail used $510
    Mallard 20’ Suggested list new $4,635 Trade in used $300 Retail used $460
    Nomad 20’ Suggested list new $4,745 Trade in used $340 Retail used $500
    Prowler 20’ Suggested list new $4,283 Trade in used $480 Retail used $700
    Shasta 20’ Suggested list new $4,396 Trade in used $300 Retail used $470


    Typical Values for 1987 Trailers ( 20 years old )

    Casita 16’ Suggested list new $7,978 Trade in used $1,060 Retail used $1,520
    Fireball 24’ Suggested list new $11,868 Trade in used $1,530 Retail used $2,240
    Jayco 21’ Suggested list new $10,879 Trade in used $1,180 Retail used $1,690
    Kit 21’ Suggested list new $8,769 Trade in used $1,230 Retail used $1,980
    Komfort 20’ Suggested list new $9,510 Trade in used $1,280 Retail used $1,910
    Layton 20’ Suggested list new $9,315 Trade in used $1,210 Retail used $1,780
    Mallard 20’ Suggested list new $8,225 Trade in used $1,030 Retail used $1,470
    Nomad 20’ Suggested list new $9,450 Trade in used $1,190 Retail used $1,780
    Prowler 20’ Suggested list new $9,751 Trade in used $1,320 Retail used $1,910
    Shasta 21’ Suggested list new $8,380 Trade in used $1,100 Retail used $1,590

  • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Sat, October 6, 2007 - 3:54 AM
    obviously this offer is only good in the portland metro area. and advice to all is that an older but better quality rv is always better than a newer but cheeper rv due to matierials and workmanship
    for instance we baught a 36' beaver coach from 1983 and paid 2000, after another thou she is a wounderfull rig and since this was the most expensive gas powered rv available when new, the old girl really held up, and the insurance company values it at 12000 bucks
    now thats equity
    • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

      Sat, October 6, 2007 - 12:11 PM
      Wow, what a great offer for future buyers... I'm not in the market as mine is running just fine... But anyone in your area should take you up on this... WOW...
  • Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips

    Tue, March 25, 2008 - 1:48 PM
    *bump*

    I'm looking at buy vs. rent for this year's burn, and thought it might be wise to re-read this and then bump it up to the top for others...

    Besides craigslist, are there other good places to look for listings of RVs for sale?

    thx!

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