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If your in the hunt for an RV and actively looking than you know that condition is as important as price and the only way to know about condition is to get out and look at as many RV's as you can before making a purchase.
Most sellers have no idea how their rig compares to others and price based on their knowledge of past sales offers and the value they have invested, which tends to have sellers pricing very high in relationship to the actual sales price of the vast majority of the RV's offered for sale. Consider that a smart seller prices as high as 20% over their bottom sales price and might very well take an offer as low as 50% of asking if motivated by a need for an immediate sale. My simple thought is this; buy the best rig at the lowest price. Easier said than done, but if you take a few simple steps it's not hard to find a great deal from a very motivated seller.
Start making low offers based on NADA appraisal value by e-mail for RV's you’re interested in under an alias as a third buyer. This is a great way to plant an offer that a seller may come back to out of necessity for a sale. Could be a week or a month or an hour. It allows you to make an even lower offer on inspection.
Go see local RV's and appraise and learn about the wide variance in condition. Asses the sellers need for a sale. Consider a lowball cash offer for an immediate sale. Pink slip for cash exchange at a bank might sound right to a motivated seller tired of the sales hassle.
Be prepared to walk away from good deals while you learn that fantastic deals are out there.
Be indifferent to a seller's comeback to a lowball offer. Knowing the other rigs available, let's you work one potential sale against another. Work sellers against each other by referring to other currently posted rigs in the same class and price range as being a better deal, fewer miles, new appliances, tires or motor work. A smart seller knows his comps, but rarely takes the time to go see them. A great reply to a seller insulted by your offer is "at the price you’re asking, I would have to go with the other "fill in the blank" RV. Give me a call if you change your mind".
Work a sale towards the appraised value or lower on overpriced but exceptional condition or low mileage rigs. An e-mail offer at average NADA with a link or quote could get a more reasonable counter offer or save you time on a seller who is firm on an unrealistic price.
Reading between the lines in posts can give you a lot of information. "retired and bought a larger trailer" means dealer trade in was low and the seller wants top dollar. This is a fairly common among CL posters. The "I can get more myself attitude" and "appraisal values are way to low". Could be right on both points, but if you base the value of your purchase on the NADA value then you would have made a purchase at a price recognized by professionals and not by the seller and his cronies camp fire talk. A great comeback to a seller after offering at its appraised value or lower is "that's all my bank is willing to loan on your RV". It is also just about all you would get if it was in an accident. Both lending institutions and insurance companies use NADA for appraised value.
If you remember that it's your cash they want, that there are far more sellers than buyers and an offer is just that, then you can be indifferent to the response from an insulted seller and just walk away, the right deal at the right price is what your after, not a new friend.
Free NADA appraisals for late model RV’s:
www2.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx
Buying the appraisal guide for rigs older than 1989 will pay you back in savings on an educated purchase:
www.nadaguides.com/BuyTrade...etail.asp
Be aware of scammers and use anti scam tactics. No down payments or any payment until I see the pink slip and it matches the name of the seller's driver’s license. A seller who can't do that is not going to close a deal with me. If they are selling for a friend or relative, insist that the owner be at the final transaction with a picture ID.
Last year I ran a running monthly thread. Check them out. There is lots of good sales asking price history there. Paine asked me this last year:
“This might seem like a silly question, but why bother reposting all these from Craig's List? If I want an RV, I can just go to CL, type in "RV" and hit search. I mean, it's very nice of you, but it seems somewhat redundant”
I did it because I wanted a place to refer back to and be able to quick link or follow-up on expired listings and recognize reposts. It’s a tool. Consider developing your own using word or excel by cutting and pasting. An e-mail or phone number of a seller who may have given up or is tired of the sales ordeal can lead to that fantastic score from someone who just wants the RV gone and done with.
I'm convinced that every west coast RV must go to Burning Man once before it dies, which is usually on highway 447, Monday at about 2pm. Avoid the one on it’s last leg, looking for a driver to take it to it’s final resting place. A tow will not be cheap or easy to find with thousands of questionable rigs rolling. Break downs and blow outs are no fun but a reality of RV’ing if your rigs not up to the journey. But if a good enough, low price oldie is right for your budget then AAA or Good Sam is a wise investment. Towing is not cheap.
I like AAA Plus. You may need to enter your zip to get the link:
www.csaa.com/portal/site...35492278a0c/
www.goodsamclub.com/benefits/index2.cfm
Be aware that most old RV's will need to have the propane tanks replaced because they don't have an overfill protection device (OPD) and are not to be refilled by propane vendors. Know how to identify an old or new tank:
washingtonstategoodsam.kendra.com/P...tm
You want to see all the appliances working and the tanks holding water. Don’t take a sellers word that they worked the last time out. They are not inexpensive to replace and represent a good deal of what you are paying for. Tire age is more important than condition, so determine when they were purchased. You want them to be less than five years old. If you are not mechanically inclined, then find someone to help in your final decision. It could save you from getting a money pit that you’re stuck with. The value of a broke down RV is ZERO !
If you find this post is helpful or want to add your thoughts or success story, bump it to the top. Happy Hunting !!!
sfbay.craigslist.org/search/rvs
Most sellers have no idea how their rig compares to others and price based on their knowledge of past sales offers and the value they have invested, which tends to have sellers pricing very high in relationship to the actual sales price of the vast majority of the RV's offered for sale. Consider that a smart seller prices as high as 20% over their bottom sales price and might very well take an offer as low as 50% of asking if motivated by a need for an immediate sale. My simple thought is this; buy the best rig at the lowest price. Easier said than done, but if you take a few simple steps it's not hard to find a great deal from a very motivated seller.
Start making low offers based on NADA appraisal value by e-mail for RV's you’re interested in under an alias as a third buyer. This is a great way to plant an offer that a seller may come back to out of necessity for a sale. Could be a week or a month or an hour. It allows you to make an even lower offer on inspection.
Go see local RV's and appraise and learn about the wide variance in condition. Asses the sellers need for a sale. Consider a lowball cash offer for an immediate sale. Pink slip for cash exchange at a bank might sound right to a motivated seller tired of the sales hassle.
Be prepared to walk away from good deals while you learn that fantastic deals are out there.
Be indifferent to a seller's comeback to a lowball offer. Knowing the other rigs available, let's you work one potential sale against another. Work sellers against each other by referring to other currently posted rigs in the same class and price range as being a better deal, fewer miles, new appliances, tires or motor work. A smart seller knows his comps, but rarely takes the time to go see them. A great reply to a seller insulted by your offer is "at the price you’re asking, I would have to go with the other "fill in the blank" RV. Give me a call if you change your mind".
Work a sale towards the appraised value or lower on overpriced but exceptional condition or low mileage rigs. An e-mail offer at average NADA with a link or quote could get a more reasonable counter offer or save you time on a seller who is firm on an unrealistic price.
Reading between the lines in posts can give you a lot of information. "retired and bought a larger trailer" means dealer trade in was low and the seller wants top dollar. This is a fairly common among CL posters. The "I can get more myself attitude" and "appraisal values are way to low". Could be right on both points, but if you base the value of your purchase on the NADA value then you would have made a purchase at a price recognized by professionals and not by the seller and his cronies camp fire talk. A great comeback to a seller after offering at its appraised value or lower is "that's all my bank is willing to loan on your RV". It is also just about all you would get if it was in an accident. Both lending institutions and insurance companies use NADA for appraised value.
If you remember that it's your cash they want, that there are far more sellers than buyers and an offer is just that, then you can be indifferent to the response from an insulted seller and just walk away, the right deal at the right price is what your after, not a new friend.
Free NADA appraisals for late model RV’s:
www2.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx
Buying the appraisal guide for rigs older than 1989 will pay you back in savings on an educated purchase:
www.nadaguides.com/BuyTrade...etail.asp
Be aware of scammers and use anti scam tactics. No down payments or any payment until I see the pink slip and it matches the name of the seller's driver’s license. A seller who can't do that is not going to close a deal with me. If they are selling for a friend or relative, insist that the owner be at the final transaction with a picture ID.
Last year I ran a running monthly thread. Check them out. There is lots of good sales asking price history there. Paine asked me this last year:
“This might seem like a silly question, but why bother reposting all these from Craig's List? If I want an RV, I can just go to CL, type in "RV" and hit search. I mean, it's very nice of you, but it seems somewhat redundant”
I did it because I wanted a place to refer back to and be able to quick link or follow-up on expired listings and recognize reposts. It’s a tool. Consider developing your own using word or excel by cutting and pasting. An e-mail or phone number of a seller who may have given up or is tired of the sales ordeal can lead to that fantastic score from someone who just wants the RV gone and done with.
I'm convinced that every west coast RV must go to Burning Man once before it dies, which is usually on highway 447, Monday at about 2pm. Avoid the one on it’s last leg, looking for a driver to take it to it’s final resting place. A tow will not be cheap or easy to find with thousands of questionable rigs rolling. Break downs and blow outs are no fun but a reality of RV’ing if your rigs not up to the journey. But if a good enough, low price oldie is right for your budget then AAA or Good Sam is a wise investment. Towing is not cheap.
I like AAA Plus. You may need to enter your zip to get the link:
www.csaa.com/portal/site...35492278a0c/
www.goodsamclub.com/benefits/index2.cfm
Be aware that most old RV's will need to have the propane tanks replaced because they don't have an overfill protection device (OPD) and are not to be refilled by propane vendors. Know how to identify an old or new tank:
washingtonstategoodsam.kendra.com/P...tm
You want to see all the appliances working and the tanks holding water. Don’t take a sellers word that they worked the last time out. They are not inexpensive to replace and represent a good deal of what you are paying for. Tire age is more important than condition, so determine when they were purchased. You want them to be less than five years old. If you are not mechanically inclined, then find someone to help in your final decision. It could save you from getting a money pit that you’re stuck with. The value of a broke down RV is ZERO !
If you find this post is helpful or want to add your thoughts or success story, bump it to the top. Happy Hunting !!!
sfbay.craigslist.org/search/rvs
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Re: Craigslist RV Buying Tips
Sun, April 29, 2007 - 8:45 AMHaving an appraisal guide for the older RV's or printing out the value of a newer rig from the NADA website, can be a great negotiating tool with a motivated seller. Pulling it out while negotiating can make a low offer easier to accept. For many, just being done with a sale is more important than price, so they sell to the first interested buyer that makes a reasonable offer.
A clue to "true market value" is to watch how fast a type of RV your interested in sells.
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 6:16 PMThe one issue I would like to clear up slightly is the idea of having to change older propane tanks. Propane tanks that are permanently mounted in a horizontal position have had OPD valves installed since the early 70's. These do not have to be retrofitted. If you are getting a coach made in the 60's or early 70's this should be a consideration. If you are looking at a trailer or a coach with removable bottle type tanks, UNDER 100#, they must comply with current OPD safety valves. One hundred pounds is approx 25 gallons. -
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Mon, April 30, 2007 - 6:30 PMThanks for the input Jack. I thought that my info might be incorrect. It was based on experience with propane suppliers and vertical tanks.
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Sat, May 5, 2007 - 3:43 PM> No down payments or any payment until I see the pink slip and it matches the name of the seller's driver’s license.
Many lenders participate in California DMV’s Electronic Lien and Title Program (ELT). That is, vehicle buyers do not receive pink slips confirming title. It seems that there is no easy way to sell a financed vehicle, especially. The lender must be paid, then they'll release their interest in the vehicle, and then a pink slip will be issued by the DMV. At least, that's the way I've done the last few vehicle transfers. This is really a problem when sale proceeds are required in order to pay off a loan. I find I have no title document I can sign that demonstrates I'm selling a properly-owned vehicle.
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 10:57 AMA paperless title is a big hassel between private parties. Insist that the seller go to the DMV and get a pink slip. A new pink slip will take 3 weeks to come, so a bill of sale and cash hold back is a good idea.
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Tue, May 22, 2007 - 3:53 PMSo damn helpful!!
I'm mechanically a toddler, so the tips in this tribe have been awesome as I shop around in San Diego. THANK YOU.
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Mon, May 28, 2007 - 11:55 AM--Hey just out of curiosity is there anyone who makes a living being a used RV surveyor? I know when buying a used boat there are marine surveyors who, for a modest fee, will crawl over the vessel and give buyer/seller an honest appraisal of the overall condition and note what might otherwise be nasty surprises.. -
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Sat, October 6, 2007 - 3:48 AMi have 10 years experiance with the manufacture and repair of rvs, i am a state certified oem manufacturer of recreational vehicles and i would be happy to inspect a rig ,pre sale, for anyone that requests it, my charge is gas money and lunch. any takers can pm me
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Fri, June 1, 2007 - 9:53 AMAnother suggestion (learned the hard way) that particularly applies to older ("vintage") RVs (or trailers, or anything else that rolls).
Buy. New. Tires.
Last year my tribe took a 1980 Thomas schoolbus out of mothballs-- it had been sitting in a warehouse and the body & engine were in perfect condition. The couple of early season (March/April) trips we took in it were a dream. However, when we went to Singularity (Las Vegas in May = hot already) with 20 people and a trailer full of stuff, we began to shred tires 200 miles out of SLC and repeated that event repeatedly before we got to Vegas. 4 out of 6 tires, including one that had to be replaced on the playa (we limped in on 5).
now this is a bus that needs to be serviced the same way as a semi truck, so it wasn't a matter of jacking up and spinning lug wrenches. I'm thinkin' a big RV would be just as much fun (and I know someone who survived a 70 mph front tire blow-out in an RV-- a very lucky man)m and even a little trailer grinding down the interstate would be a major buzz-kill, too.
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 7:39 AM<Buy. New. Tires. >
Just went to our first LIB, which was basically ruined because I had bought two new tires instead of six.
We had three blowouts AND a bad spare...
Buy. New. Tires.
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Wed, September 26, 2007 - 10:49 AMNow is THE best time to buy a used RV. Go see it. Ask their lowest selling price, leave and say it's nice but you have others to look at. Wait a few days, then call back with your offer (40 - 30 % off asking ). If they say no. ASK FOR A COUNTER OFFER !!!
Typically this works best with a Friday review and a Sunday afternoon offer. Many sellers need to put the rig back in storage after bringing it home.
Believe me, there are WAY more sellers than buyers in the fall !!!
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Tue, October 2, 2007 - 10:03 AMFind out the appraised value of a used Recreational Vehicle for free at National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) appraisal website
www.nadaguides.com/SectionHome.aspx
For RV's older than 1989, Buy the NADA guide:
www.nadaguides.com/pricegui...uide.aspx
Typical Values for Tent Campers
19 foot Apache
1977 Suggested list new $2,840 Trade in used $230 Retail used $300
1987 Suggested list new $5,868 Trade in used $610 Retail used $850
15 foot Coleman
1977 Suggested list new $2,964 Trade in used $310 Retail used $430
1987 Suggested list new $5,895 Trade in used $810 Retail used $1,160
15 foot Jayco
1977 Suggested list new $3,460 Trade in used $220 Retail used $300
1987 Suggested list new $5,210 Trade in used $550 Retail used $760
16 foot Starcraft
1977 Suggested list new $3,143 Trade in used $240 Retail used $310
1987 Suggested list new $3,464 Trade in used $550 Retail used $760
Typical Values for Mini Motorhomes
21 foot Dolphin
1977 Suggested list new $9,495 Trade in used $1,050 Retail used $1,460
1987 Suggested list new $23,777 Trade in used $3,040 Retail used $4,140
18 foot Sunrader
1977 Suggested list new $11,505 Trade in used $920 Retail used $1,260
1987 Suggested list new $22,695 Trade in used $2,900 Retail used $3,960
Typical Values for Class A RV's
27 foot Bounder
1987 Suggested list new $39,032 Trade in used $4,430 Retail used $6,040
27 foot Winnebago Chieftain
1977 Suggested list new $16,241 Trade in used $1,770 Retail used $2,360
1987 Suggested list new $37,128 Trade in used $4,460 Retail used $6,180
27 foot Southwind
1977 Suggested list new $16,056 Trade in used $1,790 Retail used $2,380
1987 Suggested list new $39,627 Trade in used $4,670 Retail used $6,360
27 foot Sprinter
1977 Suggested list new $14,168 Trade in used $980 Retail used $1,350
1984 Suggested list new $33,070 Trade in used $2,860 Retail used $4,090
Typical Values for Class C RV's
23 foot Tioga
1977 Suggested list new $14,161 Trade in used $1,080 Retail used $1,430
1987 Suggested list new $33,530 Trade in used $4,150 Retail used $5,560
24 foot Minnie Winnie
1977 Suggested list new $19,186 Trade in used $1,710 Retail used $2,220
1987 Suggested list new $30,174 Trade in used $3,860 Retail used $5,060
22 foot Lazy Daze
1977 Suggested list new $14,320 Trade in used $1,190 Retail used $1,540
1987 Suggested list new $32,750 Trade in used $3,970 Retail used $5,340
24 foot Honey
1977 Suggested list new $13,200 Trade in used $820 Retail used $1,070
1987 Suggested list new $30,093 Trade in used $3,090 Retail used $4,040
24 foot Jamboree
1977 Suggested list new $13,409 Trade in used $1,330 Retail used $1,690
1987 Suggested list new $36,295 Trade in used $4,380 Retail used $5,710
Typical Values for 1977 Trailers ( 30 years old )
Aljo 20’ Suggested list new $3,600 Trade in used $450 Retail used $730
Aristocrat 20’ Suggested list new $4,583 Trade in used $450 Retail used $680
Avion 20’ Suggested list new $3,600 Trade in used $450 Retail used $730
Fireball 23’ Suggested list new $5,945 Trade in used $650 Retail used $940
Jayco 20’ Suggested list new $4,786 Trade in used $260 Retail used $350
Kit 20’ Suggested list new $4,037 Trade in used $260 Retail used $450
Komfort 20’ Suggested list new $4,820 Trade in used $420 Retail used $650
Layton 20’ Suggested list new $4,745 Trade in used $350 Retail used $510
Mallard 20’ Suggested list new $4,635 Trade in used $300 Retail used $460
Nomad 20’ Suggested list new $4,745 Trade in used $340 Retail used $500
Prowler 20’ Suggested list new $4,283 Trade in used $480 Retail used $700
Shasta 20’ Suggested list new $4,396 Trade in used $300 Retail used $470
Typical Values for 1987 Trailers ( 20 years old )
Casita 16’ Suggested list new $7,978 Trade in used $1,060 Retail used $1,520
Fireball 24’ Suggested list new $11,868 Trade in used $1,530 Retail used $2,240
Jayco 21’ Suggested list new $10,879 Trade in used $1,180 Retail used $1,690
Kit 21’ Suggested list new $8,769 Trade in used $1,230 Retail used $1,980
Komfort 20’ Suggested list new $9,510 Trade in used $1,280 Retail used $1,910
Layton 20’ Suggested list new $9,315 Trade in used $1,210 Retail used $1,780
Mallard 20’ Suggested list new $8,225 Trade in used $1,030 Retail used $1,470
Nomad 20’ Suggested list new $9,450 Trade in used $1,190 Retail used $1,780
Prowler 20’ Suggested list new $9,751 Trade in used $1,320 Retail used $1,910
Shasta 21’ Suggested list new $8,380 Trade in used $1,100 Retail used $1,590
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Sun, April 6, 2008 - 10:07 PMjust saw this on cl:
sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/rvs...807.html
I'm curious what you think of this listing...it fits pretty well to what I *think* I'm looking for.
according to the NADA site, base retail runs from $2400 to $2900 - not enough options are listed on the ad for me to figure out what to ad - but this helps a lot pricing it...thanks for posting this! -
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 1:14 PMI personally would not go any higher than $2500. This is a buyers market and there are going to be problems that will need repairing. This is assuming that when you see it that it still meets or exceeds your expectations. Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold, RULES!
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 4:34 PMThick skin and a low offer. Anything over ten years old is going to be a tough sell when newer rigs are going at fire sale prices due to fuel costs.
Picture it parked at your place with a for sale sign on it. What would your number be to get rid of it. For many it's just a big burden.
Here is a tip for making a low ball offer for the timid. Walk away from the seller and make a brief call on your cell phone. Walk back and make your low offer. If they ask about the call, say that you just checked with your partner and that's all they would offer. Now your playing the seller against someone else who is not there. smile, leave your phone # and wait for the call . . . It will come.
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Mon, April 7, 2008 - 5:28 PMThanks Jack & Red - good tips on pricing and "dealing". I'm not in a rush, got months to figure things out, but I figure it's a good idea to get out looking so I have a feel for what the options look like.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 11:13 PMThe toyota appraises for about 4800.
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:06 AMthats what I was thinking as well.... due to gas prices the bigger rigs are even lower cost...
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Tue, June 3, 2008 - 4:31 PMhow about this one....?
modesto.craigslist.org/rvs/70...25.html
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Sat, October 6, 2007 - 3:54 AMobviously this offer is only good in the portland metro area. and advice to all is that an older but better quality rv is always better than a newer but cheeper rv due to matierials and workmanship
for instance we baught a 36' beaver coach from 1983 and paid 2000, after another thou she is a wounderfull rig and since this was the most expensive gas powered rv available when new, the old girl really held up, and the insurance company values it at 12000 bucks
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Sat, October 6, 2007 - 12:11 PMWow, what a great offer for future buyers... I'm not in the market as mine is running just fine... But anyone in your area should take you up on this... WOW...
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 1:48 PM*bump*
I'm looking at buy vs. rent for this year's burn, and thought it might be wise to re-read this and then bump it up to the top for others...
Besides craigslist, are there other good places to look for listings of RVs for sale?
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Thu, March 27, 2008 - 12:29 PMHere is a link to a guy near Sacramento offering used RV's that owners have "walked away from". Basically the unpaid storage fees exceed the value of the rig. Storage facilities everywhere have the same problem. Try calling your local storage yards and ask if they auction or sell abandoned rigs.
bm.tribe.net/thread/0fb4...ce1f24fccaf5
